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RPF - just stop doing it.
that_khyber
Edit: And this is why I wasn't gonna do this. Comments have been locked, I didn't mean to make previous comments invisible, though. If someone can tell me how to lock comments while still showing existing ones please do.

Edit 2: Okay, I'm "screening" comments but I'm just going to not post them. That works.

I said I wasn't gonna do this whole getting-involved-in-LJ-discussions thing, and I haven't the background or vocabulary to do lit-crit.

So, instead of trying to lay out some sort of incrementalist argument,  I'm retreating to my gut feeling, which I admit is a conservative tendency in itself, and raising the old atxc flag of complete intolerance for RPF (there, I've admitted I'm being conservative AND intolerant.)

I read RPF, and I go "hmm... nope. I believe there are things that are objectively wrong. This is one of them, in a small yet spiritually corrosive way, and people should be actively discouraged from doing it."

So I'm discouraging anyone who may be reading this. Please, just stop. If you write good RPF I'm sure you could write better fanfic, stories that wouldn't devalue human identity and incidentally wouldn't creep me out so very, very much.

Maybe I'm too old, maybe I'm culturally too old (more likely), maybe I haven't absorbed enough Noughties celebrity culture to allow myself to dehumanize and abstract another human being into a projection surface simply because they have a public identity.

Jesus Christ, writing porn about Duchovny and his wife? How the fuck is that not wrong?

It's not a very nuanced or maybe even very informed opinion, but it's the one I've got.

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If you write good RPF I'm sure you could write better fanfic, stories that wouldn't devalue human identity and incidentally wouldn't creep me out so very, very much.
Thank you. THANK YOU. This has been the crux of my argument against it (and discussions have been going 'round and 'round like hell lately), and no one has yet to come back with a satisfactory rebuttal. What is the appeal of fictionalizing reality? Where is the respect for privacy when you "play" with the life, imagined or otherwise, of a real person? Why, oh why, are the fictional characters they gave us not enough? I'm not sure I'll ever understand it; all I know is that it squicks me out to no end.

And for the record, I'm quite young and on the rather liberal side, but it's definitely not just you. There's been a surge of more and more RPF lately, and I really wish I could escape it. I'm just glad to be reminded that I'm not alone in that.

The rebuttal is essentially "we all have completely subjective tastes or squicks or limits, and they are ultimately arbitrary and inexplicably inconsistent." Nope.

Yeah, and that's really more a commentary on fan culture rather than a real defense of the practice, isn't it?

It seems to *me* like a total denial of what "fan meta" is supposed to be - that is, looking at unexamined problems and figuring out what they are, what reasoning or motive stands behind them, and whether it is acceptable by some consistent standard. Meta that only involves looking at oneself and saying, "huh, okay, now I see what is going on here and I accept it," is purely masturbatory, pardon the pun!

Edited at 2009-02-19 07:45 am (UTC)

Oh yeah, but that's what I mean (though I articulated it poorly); more like an unintentional commentary about a certain facet of fan culture, if that makes more sense.

Yeah - I wasn't correcting you, just expounding. :P

By all means! I'm always glad for a reminder that I'm not totally alone over here in my corner. ;)

What is the appeal of fictionalizing reality?

All art fictionalizes reality. You might as well ask why create art.

Where is the respect for privacy when you "play" with the life, imagined or otherwise, of a real person?

I am not invading their bedrooms or taking pictures that are going to be spread from here to kingdom come. How exactly did my entirely imagined stories invade anyone's privacy? What is your definition of "privacy" that makes you state that?

Why, oh why, are the fictional characters they gave us not enough?

It isn't a question of choosing one over the other. The stories I wanted to tell weren't about my fictional versions of Mulder and Scully. They were about my fictionalized versions of David and Gillian.

I'm not sure I'll ever understand it; all I know is that it squicks me out to no end.

That's okay. Just stop reading it, problem solved, at least as far as your being squicked is concerned. I agree, this is not your kind of story since you don't even like biopics or Shakespeare in Love.

How could one possibly not like Shakespeare in Love?

You are going to have to ask leucocrystal that question. Personally, I loved it.

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