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RPF - just stop doing it.
that_khyber
Edit: And this is why I wasn't gonna do this. Comments have been locked, I didn't mean to make previous comments invisible, though. If someone can tell me how to lock comments while still showing existing ones please do.

Edit 2: Okay, I'm "screening" comments but I'm just going to not post them. That works.

I said I wasn't gonna do this whole getting-involved-in-LJ-discussions thing, and I haven't the background or vocabulary to do lit-crit.

So, instead of trying to lay out some sort of incrementalist argument,  I'm retreating to my gut feeling, which I admit is a conservative tendency in itself, and raising the old atxc flag of complete intolerance for RPF (there, I've admitted I'm being conservative AND intolerant.)

I read RPF, and I go "hmm... nope. I believe there are things that are objectively wrong. This is one of them, in a small yet spiritually corrosive way, and people should be actively discouraged from doing it."

So I'm discouraging anyone who may be reading this. Please, just stop. If you write good RPF I'm sure you could write better fanfic, stories that wouldn't devalue human identity and incidentally wouldn't creep me out so very, very much.

Maybe I'm too old, maybe I'm culturally too old (more likely), maybe I haven't absorbed enough Noughties celebrity culture to allow myself to dehumanize and abstract another human being into a projection surface simply because they have a public identity.

Jesus Christ, writing porn about Duchovny and his wife? How the fuck is that not wrong?

It's not a very nuanced or maybe even very informed opinion, but it's the one I've got.

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to allow myself to dehumanize and abstract another human being into a projection surface simply because they have a public identity.

For my own part I write RPF in order to humanize people in my mind: to answer questions like "what would have made her do that?" and "how would she have felt about that?" While my stories aren't "true" in the specific sense (I know no more about the real person than when I started), they do I think offer the same general psychological insights that one can get from all fiction. It's a process of attempting to enter into imaginative sympathy with the person depicted.

Maybe I am being spiritually corroded by the process, but instinctively at least I don't believe it's so.

(That DD/TL porn really weirded me out too, but given that I'm really only responsible for myself I chose to focus on what I do.)

Re: Here via friends

Forgive me, but to say that "I'm really only responsible for myself" seems a very narrow understanding of the term "responsible."

Also, working out something in one's own mind is something anyone can and does do in private. I don't see the need to call attention to it in a semi-public place.

Forgive me, but to say that "I'm really only responsible for myself" seems a very narrow understanding of the term "responsible."

Can you clarify? Are you suggesting a responsibility to express disapproval of what other people are doing with it, or something else?

Also, working out something in one's own mind is something anyone can and does do in private. I don't see the need to call attention to it in a semi-public place.

Some stories I write for myself alone; some I share with a few people; and some I post publicly. So I do believe that there's a gradient there, although I obviously don't see it as a slippery slope.

Re: Here via friends

Actually, I'm not sure I can clarify. It's that we simply are not alone in the world, we interact and influence and are influenced by and exploit others all the time, not always consciously and certainly not necessarily with malice. I believe we must be aware of how our behavior affects others and modulate our freedom appropriately.

This ties in, I think, with the Christian theology of "witness." Many, of course, don't care about that.

"Slippery slope" is not a notion I ordinarily have much time for, but I can see it here. Serious abuse has already arrived.

I think that I may have been slightly unclear. I didn't mean "I am responsible for the impact of my writing on myself, and no one else." I meant "I am responsible for what I write (and its impact on others), but although I write RPF I don't consider myself responsible for someone else's DD/TL porn epic."

You said above that you enjoy "Shakespeare in Love." Can I assume that you don't see a slippery slope when it comes to RPF along those lines?

Edited at 2009-02-19 09:07 pm (UTC)

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